He told me that in his younger days they would take 255 grain lead flat point bullets for the 45 colt pistol and paper patch them to use in the 4570 because one of the guys had a bullet mold for them and between them the only other mold they had. Here are the benefits of shooting paperpatched bullets in your inline. I am shooting paper patched 577450s and hit the 500 yard gong several times with my martinihenry. And even paper patched some bullets for my 375 hh improved to shoot deer with.
Supposedly about of the buffalo killed in the old west were done in with pp bullets. Mostly paul matthews is famous for his treatise on the paper jacket, his work on paper patched soft lead bullets. Has anyone paper patched these bullets 200 grains to 230 grains up enough to load in the 4570. The best i can get with black powder and grease groove or jacketed hawk bullets is a pattern. Would be of interest to research this,not only would make it easier but teflon tape is verry slippery.
Reilly in 500 bpe with henry rifling which was developed for paper patched bullets. Light for the caliber bullets will work in fast twist barrels but we dont say. The factory load on this bullet is 1785 fps in my guide gun 18in they must use a 24in barrel to show 2200 fps on the box. Would paper patching reduce leading in s rifled barrel. We rely on a quality products, delivery and value for our customers. Since they have no lube on the bullet itself, they are often loaded with what is called a grease cookie. This article is intended for shooters who are currently loading lubed. Paperpatching your inline muzzleloader western powders. Top long range muzzleloading targt shooters of the mid 1800s commonly relied on paperpatched conical bullets. Working with lubricated bullets is messy in my experience. Loaded with either a 325 grain ftx bullet or a 250 grain monoflex bullet. And i use a tapered bullet that i find not as accurate as the straight wall bullet that measures patched. Paper patched bullets ppb are probably the most controversial of all lead bullet styles. Refining paperpatched loads for smokeless powder load data.
The 4570 government cartridge was developed in in 1873. Paper patched bullets are still available, and some blackpowder shooters still roll their own paper patched bullets for hunting and competitive shooting. A couple of days ago, a friend shot an average big moose with his 4570. I offer many variations in cast bullets for this cartridge as this caliber was made for cast bullets and are the. Its an excellent bullet design and shoots very accurately. Paper patched bullets will be tried and tested when i get time and inspiration. May 17, 2016 myself, i prefer paper patched bullets for three reasons. Paper patch bullets were used in the 1800s for target shooting and hunting and are still being used today. Oct 14, 2016 paper patches let a shooter get the same velocities from lead bullets as with jacketed bullets. I also did some hunting rifle paper patching very successfully with my 358 win see other 35 cal thread. Personally, i use the thickest paper i have available and purchase 100% bond paper by the sheet from a local stationer. If youre a diehard paperpatched bullet shooter, youre undoubtedly. There is a direct relationship between the bullet casting alloy, the final diameter of the cast slick bullet, the thickness of the patching paper, and how the paper is wrapped on the bullet. They wont shoot accurately in a martinihenry unless they are paper patched, because the diameter is too small.
Paper patched bullets are still available, and some blackpowder shooters still roll their own paperpatched bullets for hunting and competitive shooting. He told me that in his younger days they would take 255 grain lead flat point bullets for the 45 colt pistol and paper patch them to use in the 4570 because one of the guys had a bullet mold for them and between them the only other mold they had available was for a 500 grain. It has been my experience, however, that most of the cussin has been from folks with little or no personal experience with ppbs. Years ago i did some of that paper patching for a 3006 spfld according to the harris developments. When you have a clean rag and time to wipe your hands between shots they work fine. This for you old or ancient guys paper patched bullets gun. This squeezing did have a small but perceptible positive effect on bullet quality and resultant accuracy. This for you old or ancient guys paper patched bullets. Quigley reloaded paper patched bullets paul matthews wrote a book on paper patching the 4570 bullet the paper jacket. Just like youd expect with such a popular cartridge, barnes produces. Find your best price for 4570 ammo rifle 405 grains best 4570 ammunition rifle 405 grains search engine 2020. Followed by the same questions about how the paper survives in the barrel.
To make bullets having a smooth ogive no fouling scraper shoul. It works well if you can find a buddy that still enjoys casting enough to make a run of soft cast bullets for you to paper patch. This is for black powder reloads and the naked bullet diameter is contingent on the thickness of the paper being used. Whether youre making bulk ammo for plinking, creating the perfect hunting round, or building the best ammunition for a 500 yard shot, midsouth has the right. New paper patch approach by ed wosika linkedin slideshare. The intended bullets in the pipe were the 405 buffalo bore loads. As a ammunition manufacture, we load over 400 calibers. I prefer to use paper patched bullets simply because they are easier to handle.
With nitro for black loads and hard cast bullets or hawk jacketed bullets its consistently a 2 inch rifle at 50 yards, from a standing bench rest. Sharps paperpatched, longrange and hunting bullets were designed to be about. Paper patched or lubricated lead bullets can be swaged in two basic styles, the swc shoulder style shown here, and the smooth ogive style shown below. Sold in 100 count box acme bullet company manufactures 4570 405 grain fp flat point hard add to wish list. His delightfully informative book on the subject, the paper jacket, is perhaps the best resource for a reloader interested in utilizing paperpatched bullets with smokeless powder. Optimized for rapid expansion, high weight retention, and deep penetration, this is an outstanding choice of. Its one of the two rifles i plan to keep the rest of my life. Our load data is only for use in the new breed of strong action rifles such as those listed below. Bullet diameter for 4570 paper patched cartridge shiloh. Later, commercial ammunition manufacturers settled on a single greased bullet design for both rifles, which is likely not optimum for both and not the. The first shot hit and killed a willow, but was deflected into the fringes of intended target. Please post what you find,it sounds interesting and would like to know how fast you can push them and of corse accuracy being.
Ppbs work equally well with black or smokeless powder. Paper patch vs lube, black powder is paper patching a fair replacement for lube in a black powder rifle for conicals. So, i thought i would give a quick explanation on the concept and then show my process. In some of my other rifles paper patched bullets are superior to grease groove bullets. Please post what you find,it sounds interesting and would like to know how fast you can push them and of corse accuracy being the main consern also. Both used bp but different grades and different paperpatched bullets. The cartridge is going to be around for another 150 years. Sizing paperpatched bullets for smokeless powder load data. Patching with teflon tape was reading an article about paper patched bullets when i stumbled on an article about useing teflon tape instead. Replica not original sharps model 1874 single shots. Jul 02, 2009 paper patched bullets for cartridge guns do not have any grooves for lube, and they are smaller in diameter because they are going to be wrapped with the paper patch.
What started as a small dream has become a multimillion dollar international business selling ammunition, reloading supplies and accessories. Most shooters, given quality ppbs and proper loading techniques. North american muzzleloader hunting shares a couple of ways to patch lead bullets and the papers that works best. Paper patches let a shooter get the same velocities from lead bullets as with jacketed bullets. A lot of people are curious about paper patching bullets. Oct 18, 2016 cherry ridge 200 yard range, pedersoli rolling block, ppb cartridges w487 grain 45 505xr accurate mold 1. Nov 19, 2014 new paper patch approach by ed wosika. I havent really found any of that to be the case with my stainless guide gun. The diameter of the cast slick and the thickness of the patching paper are at least a bit. Sizing paperpatched bullets for smokeless powder load. Custom quality cast bullet molds for sale buffalo arms.
First, the patch shape will have to be a parallelogram with angles of about 45 degrees. Cherry ridge 200 yard range, pedersoli rolling block, ppb cartridges w487 grain 45505xr accurate mold 1. I feed paper patch bullets through tubular magazines in leveraction rifles chambered for the 307 and 356 winchester cartridges along with the 45 70. If youre a diehard paperpatched bullet shooter, youre undoubtedly familiar with paul matthews. My pioneer products sharps 45 70 adjustable mold original sharps bullet dimensions in 1. Paper patch supplies, paper patch templates, paper patch paper, lead bullets, paper patch bullets. Harrisons 30 caliber paper patched bullets cast bullet forum. Enter your name, address, and billing information for prompt shipment. The original martinihenry bullets were also paper patched, as mentioned in part 1. Now, i my interest in cast bullets is rekindled, mostly for bpcr, but also would like to. Sold in 100 count box these hard cast bullet is cast with 9262 certified alloy bhn 16, t add to wish list. This is a popular bullet used in lever action rifles for north american big game animals and shooting through thick brush.
Paper patching is a science in itself that may prove very accurate, and it is in my opinion more challenging compared to using grease groove bullets. Original winchester model 1886 lever action and model 1885 singleshot rifles known to be in good condition that have been thoroughly checked out by a competent gunsmith. The paper acts like a jacket and keeps the lead from smearing in the bore. Instead of cutting molds of increasing diameters, one oversized mold was used in each caliber and the bullets were downsized with simple pushthrough bushings. Or, print your order after entering your address, attach.
Quigley reloaded paper patched bullets paul matthews wrote a book on paper patching the 45 70 bullet the paper jacket. Apr 06, 2008 i havent really found any of that to be the case with my stainless guide gun. Ive never paper patched, but sounds like it might be possible for low velocity loads. Length will have to be about circumference of the bullet. Cant give you much info on a 3855 but have been very successfull with 45 70. Top long range muzzleloading targt shooters of the mid 1800s commonly relied on paper patched conical bullets. Unfollow 45 70 bullets to stop getting updates on your ebay feed. Much discussion and cussin have been laid at their doorstep. Cant give you much info on a 3855 but have been very successfull with 4570. Lee 452300rf paper patch in 4570 page 2 marlin owners. I can hold minute of ram at 500 meters and have taken buffalo with paper patched bullets. With the action being very strong one could load the 4570 to near.